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Wayne Karr
post Feb 28 2010, 11:02 AM
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The news that the Lockerbie bomber is not dying of cancer after all does not come as a great surprise. I thought the fix was in at the time — with his “compassionate release” a smokescreen to conceal a cynical quid pro quo that had been worked out between the British Government and Colonel Gaddafi — and so it has proved to be. Yes, yes, I know he was released by Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Justice Secretary, but I suspect he was just doing the bidding of his countryman in Downing Street.

A friend of mine lost his sister on Pan Am Flight 103 and I remember speaking to him when the release of Ali Al Megrahi was first proposed last August. He was unequivocal. He didn’t believe any compassion should be extended to Megrahi. He thought he should serve out his sentence.

I pointed out that many people considered the conviction unsafe — in spite of it being upheld on appeal — and asked him if he had any doubt about Megrahi’s guilt. “None whatsoever,” was the reply. At the time of Megrahi’s trial in 2000, he and his mother were visited by two detectives from the Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary. They returned his sister’s possessions — those that they’d been able to recover from the wreckage — and spent several hours taking him and his mother through the case they’d assembled,. These detectives were “a hundred and ten per cent certain” they’d got the right man and, after listening to the evidence, so was my friend.

He pointed out that if the plane had blown up over the Atlantic, as it was supposed to, Megrahi would have got away with it. It was only because the plane came down over a small town in Dumfries and Galloway that he didn’t. These two policemen, along with their colleagues, spent 12 years working on the case — and it was thanks to their unstinting efforts that Megrahi was eventually brought to justice. He was sentenced to 27 years – a year for every 10 people killed. My friend thought that was absurd — how can 10 people’s lives only be worth a year of Megrahi’s life? — but that is the calculation the judge made. “To release him after serving only nine years would be an insult,” said my friend. It would be an insult to the officers of the Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary, an insult to the Scottish judiciary, and, above all, an insult to the memory of his sister. He pointed out that it was not Kenny MacAskill’s place or that of the British Government to extend compassion to Megrahi. It was up to people like him. And his attitude was: Megrahi didn’t show any compassion to my sister or the 269 other people he murdered that day. Why should we extend any compassion to him?

I wonder what would have happened to Megrahi if it had been an El Al flight that he’d blown up that day? Something tells me we would not now be looking at pictures of him in the paper relaxing with his wife and children.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...say-family.html
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post Feb 28 2010, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(AmberLamps @ Feb 28 2010, 11:02 AM) *
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...say-family.html


Should have died in prison, but of course this government cares more about oil than morality or the wishes of its own people.
Fucking get them out.
(Also, Dail Mail lol, until it's reported in a proper newspaper take it with a pinch of salt)
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post Feb 28 2010, 12:55 PM
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Should have died in prison, but of course this government cares more about oil than morality or the wishes of its own people.
Fucking get them out.
(Also, Dail Mail lol, until it's reported in a proper newspaper take it with a pinch of salt)


^^

agree with this completely. I said the day he got released "I bet that bastard isn't dying, he shod be raped and given aids if he isn't"
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post Feb 28 2010, 12:58 PM
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post Feb 28 2010, 2:10 PM
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QUOTE(DougieFFC @ Feb 28 2010, 12:23 PM) *
Should have died in prison, but of course this government cares more about oil than morality or the wishes of its own people.
Fucking get them out.
(Also, Dail Mail lol, until it's reported in a proper newspaper take it with a pinch of salt)


The only compassion we should of shown is to have maybe made is easier for his family to come and visit if he were dying, and I only say that as compassion towards the family, not for his sake.
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post Mar 2 2010, 12:58 PM
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Should never have been in jail in Scotland in the first place.

I see this as great news on all fronts really.

It pisses off the Yanks

It makes Kenny McAskill look like the spastic that he is (therefore making the SNP look like the spastics that they are)
and lastly an innocent man gets to live his life in freedom

Win fucking Win
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post Mar 3 2010, 1:50 AM
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He has cancer, he is dying - just not as quickly as predicted (IMG:http://media.profileheaven.com/images/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

You can't pinpoint the day people will die fuck sake (IMG:http://media.profileheaven.com/images/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Mar 3 2010, 10:36 AM
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My mum seems to think the same as you John. She thinks he was a scapegoat.
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post Mar 3 2010, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(LadyGodiva @ Mar 3 2010, 1:50 AM) *
He has cancer, he is dying - just not as quickly as predicted (IMG:http://media.profileheaven.com/images/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

You can't pinpoint the day people will die fuck sake (IMG:http://media.profileheaven.com/images/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Doesn't really explain why this mass murderer is out of jail in the first place (the answer being "oil").
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post Mar 3 2010, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Ami @ Mar 3 2010, 10:36 AM) *
My mum seems to think the same as you John. She thinks he was a scapegoat.


There was never enough evidence to convict him.

We had to let him go, an other court case would have embarressed Scotland.
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post Mar 3 2010, 12:11 PM
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I don't know (IMG:http://media.profileheaven.com/images/style_emoticons/default/JC_thinking.gif) But if he is innocent, it sickens me the fact that they had to say he was on death's door. If he was so innocent you would be proclaiming your innocence. But I suppose there is nothing that can be done about it now.
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post Mar 5 2010, 1:00 AM
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Oil deals for Lockerbie bomber compassionate release.

FBI Outrage as Kingdom sells Lockerbie bomber for Libyan oil. (YouTube)

CBS News reports on Gaddafi embracing the return of the Lockerbie bomber to Libya and the FBI Director's outrage expressed in a letter to the Scottish Justice Minister of the Queen's government of Scotland.

Statements from Gaddafi's son provide more evidence that the release has been demanded as the price of doing oil deal business with Gaddafi.

Additional comment after the CBS News report by Peter Dow.

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Prince Andrew was appointed by his mother Queen Elizabeth as the Lord High Commissioner of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland for 2007.

Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish justice secretary who released Megrahi, and other Scottish politicians defer to royal family, state officials and church leaders.

Therefore Prince Andrew is well placed to be able to use his contacts with the Scottish establishment to encourage Megrahi's release on compassionate grounds in order to facilitate oil deals with Libya.



How the UK employed Prince Andrew, the Duke of York to set up Libyan oil deals for compassionate release of the Lockerbie bomber Megrahi.

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Prince Andrew, the Duke of York is the second son and third child of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. As well as carrying out various royal duties, he currently serves as the United Kingdom's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment reporting to Peter Mandelson who is the UK's current First Secretary of State, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, President of the Board of Trade and Lord President of the Council. In that capacity he has visited Libya and met with Gaddafi several times to set up oil deals.

In 2007, Prince Andrew was appointed by his mother, the Queen, as the Lord High Commissioner of the Church of Scotland in 2007, a post previously held by David Steel, the first Presiding Officer of the re-convened Scottish Parliament and a post now held by George Reid, the 2nd former Presiding Officer of the new Scottish Parliament.

By use of such patronage, the UK royal family is able to form close links with influential persons in Scottish politics and with the Scottish churches.

Therefore Prince Andrew has all the connections anyone would ever need to set up a Libyan oil deals for Scottish justice "compassionate release" for the Lockerbie bomber.

Indeed, Colonel Gaddafi has publicly thanked Prince Andrew for arranging the release of Megrahi.

So Peter Mandelson may claim to know nothing of any such deal but he certainly appointed the right person, Prince Andrew, to set such a deal up and it looks like that is exactly what has happened. :roll:

Therefore whereas it may well be the case that Kenny MacAskill has not personally profited from Libyan oil deal money, it is entirely possible that some back channel deal involving third party donations to one or more of the Church of Scotland's worthy causes has bought pro-compassionate-release spiritual advice from the Church of Scotland clerics to Kenny MacAskill and it may be it is those who interpret MacAskill's Christian faith for him who were the ones who have convinced him that compassionate release was the thing to do in Megrahi's case.

Certainly, the church is always short of money and certainly that is how Arab monarchs and dictators often operate in their own countries - by funding Islamic programmes and sometimes even getting the Islamic clerics to put out pro-jehadi messages when they wish to incite terrorist wars by proxy fought by the likes of Al Qaeda but in a plausibly deniable way which is not easily identified directly as being ordered by the monarch or dictator concerned.

So supporting terrorism in this modest way has begun in European Christian churches as bought by Arab or African oil money. What is next?

Are we going to see Libyan or other oil money funding Christian crusader suicide bombers, bought and paid for by oil deal money?

It happened in the Arab world and it could happen here. The release of this terrorist is just the start unless we get wise to what this oil money in the wrong hands is buying - a terrorist war against our values of freedom and democracy and in favour of monarchy and dictatorship.
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post Mar 5 2010, 1:08 AM
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QUOTE(DougieFFC @ Mar 3 2010, 11:50 AM) *
Doesn't really explain why this mass murderer is out of jail in the first place (the answer being "oil").


That's speculation.

You could say that he was a political scapegoat. We had to prosecute someone, he's always protested his innocence. It's no diffirent to Kenny Ritchie who was released from American prison as goodwill. If we had went to trial again on appeal and he had won (which it's been said he would have on grounds of lots of new evidence) not only would he be free, but we would also have to pay out lots of compensation. Not to mention the political nightmare of a mistaken prosecution.

At the end of the day he's dying. What's to be gained by keeping him in the life of luxuary at our expense? (IMG:http://media.profileheaven.com/images/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Mar 5 2010, 1:11 AM
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will say i fully support compassionate release thing we have in Scotland

the way to judge a society is how it treats its prisoners
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post Mar 13 2010, 11:40 PM
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still think this guy is innocent
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QUOTE(LadyGodiva @ Mar 5 2010, 1:08 AM) *
That's speculation.


It's just a little bit naive to think this isn't a political move that the British government seeks to gain from. There's this article from the Times which reveals BP's lobbying to expediate the return of the guy. This article from the Sun says "Jack Straw admitted that the Lockerbie bomber's fate was on the table during trade talks with Libya". This government wouldn't be speaking to Libya if they didn't have valuable oil contracts.
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You could say that he was a political scapegoat. We had to prosecute someone, he's always protested his innocence. It's no diffirent to Kenny Ritchie who was released from American prison as goodwill. If we had went to trial again on appeal and he had won (which it's been said he would have on grounds of lots of new evidence) not only would he be free, but we would also have to pay out lots of compensation. Not to mention the political nightmare of a mistaken prosecution.

The man was found to be guilty in a court of law. There is a judicial process that should be respected. It is very sad that this government are happy to throw the law out of the window when it suits their purposes. If he was wrongly convicted then not only is the convicted man's honour regained (and if he is owed compensation I don't see why anyone would begrudge it) but the families of the victims have a right to know that the real killer or killers are still at large, and the state then has a duty to track down the real murderers. Allowing this man to walk away without re-opening the case is an insult to the victims of this tragedy whether the man is innocent or guilty, because either way no one has properly paid for the crime.
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At the end of the day he's dying. What's to be gained by keeping him in the life of luxuary at our expense? (IMG:http://media.profileheaven.com/images/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

The whole uproar is that he may not be dying after all.
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