Proof that there could be a God. Explained in one minute.

Now if there isn't a God and everything is random....how could something be so "perfect"

That is a really bad video that I actually saw for the first time in my life actually last night.

It's like saying cheeseburgers were designed for cheeseburger rolls or hot dogs were designed for hot dog rolls. No. It is the other way around. Hot dogs came first. The earth came first; and bananas, and everything else on it. We adapted to the banana. The banana wasn't put here for us. Anymore than hot dogs were originally invented for the purpose fitting into hot dog buns. Hot dog buns came along later and accommodate themselves to hot dogs. Hot dog buns werent designed millions of years in advance in order to wait when somebody invented hot dogs. They are a neccessity of a hot dog world. Bread evolved.

Things seem designed and a perfect fit to their environment because they have had billions of years of trial and error to become so. And all those who werent good in their environment arent around anymore. The south pole wasnt designed for penguins even though they are a good fit there.

So.... is nature a hell of a lot cleverer than we think? Afterall, monkeys eat bananas, and they are similar to us. Does that mean nature isn't random afterall? Perhaps its the work of a god?

Perhaps bananas are actually man made, and are marketed as natural. If thats the case...were does this end?

Ray, are you aware that this video is one of the biggest sources of ridicule on the internet? The banana in its current form is a result of genetic tinkering on behalf of farmers. Bananas originally looked like this and contained seeds:
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Hardly intelligent design. Even Ray Comfort himself, one of the world's biggest idiots and completely incapable of critical common sense, has taken this assertion back.

oh my god. not even bananas are natural. Is there ANYTHING that mankind haven't tampered with.

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Oh wait....

I don't get why things evolving is such a difficult concept to understand. I am trying to think of a super simple example but don't really know if I can be arsed.

The only two outcomes that occur when someone is explained evolution is 1) the question "Why are there no fossils of a half-monkey, half-man?" and 2) the acceptance of evolution as a gradual process, one that is proved not by transitional fossils in half-monkey-half-man form but fossils exhibiting primitive traits in comparison to more evolved life-forms.

It's unfortunate a lot of people go with the first outcome.

Also, while it's sickening that people refuse to accept it, what angers me more are people who refuse to understand it.

This post has been edited by ATouchOfDutch: Nov 20 2009, 9:47 PM

I think people have a hard time understanding how it is based on total random mutations that turn beneficial. The fact that biolgoical systems, like DNA, makes errors is imperative to evolution. Evolution depends on biological errors. There would be no speciation or evolution without it. Nearly all traits start out as errors. And nature sorts them out. One Cheetah may be born with a mutation, an error, that makes him run a little faster than the rest of the cheetahs. What I mean by "error", is not staying true to the genetic code. He wasnt supposed to get that. That isnt what his parents were supposed to pass down to him. It is nowhere in their genetic code. It was a mistranslation. DNA codes and sends messages. And other things translate it. There was a fuck up in the translation. It is like a copying error. Like when you write something, if you misspell or misplace certain words, the translation can be fucked up. What you are trying to express is taken wrong. So that cheetah is now has that error in his genetic makeup. So, if he survives to reproduce, that "error" is passed down. And since running faster helps one reproduce in this context, the gene pool fills up with fast cheetas. It fills up with those mutations.

That is an example of microevolution. Now imagine tons of species each having tons of mutations in different environments for billions of years. And you have the diversity of life you see today. Mutations are like the spice of life.

Its also worth thinking about the fruits and plants that have evolved defence mechanisms to human consumption. If they were all put there for us then why are some berries poisonous? Why do plants have thorns? Most of the fruits we consume are meant to be consumed by other animals...that will shit them out to distribute the seeds...its just an evolved, mutually beneficial ecology.

Cool old vid, bro.



Haven't seen this 20 times already, it's totally new to me.

its great how evolution works though, elephants are evolving to have shorter tusks or to be completely tuskless due to poaches.

what makes evolution work to make this happpen? the elephants who have had their tusks poached can't evolve and pass the experience down to their offspring because they are dead, is something stored by the other animals watching?

how does elephants (and the animal kingdom in general) trigger evolution to say 'right we have to adapt to this new threat' ? (IMG:http://www.profileheaven.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/JC_thinking.gif)

Because elephants with small or no tusks don't get killed and can therefore breed and pass that gene onto the next generation, you fucking muppet.

your a fucking muppet for not understanding what i asked (IMG:http://www.profileheaven.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) HOW does that gene get passed onto the next generation? can a human (me/you) keep saying to ourselfs right we don't need tonsils anymore because they no longer serve no purpose or we are sick of getting tonsillitis.

do you/i just keep saying that to ourselfs and *BAM* the mini-st3veos and umads will have no tonsils? doesn't just have to be tonsils, could be legs/teeth/hands/feet and so on.

evolution in elephants is happening rapidly.

This post has been edited by st3veo: Nov 21 2009, 5:00 PM

Rofl are you actually a spastic? (IMG:http://www.profileheaven.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

no, are you?

Bingo. Since the males with the large tusks are being killed, those with shorter tusks are breeding successfully with the females because there is no competition, passing their genes on to the next generation.

I don't if what you are saying about the elephant is true but it is similar to my cheetah example. Those animals with long tusks and their bloodlines are dead. They have to rely on other members of their species who were born with more favorable traits to carry on their species.

Only elephants with short tusks survive long enough to pass on their genes. Elephants with short tusks are the only ones left. Short tusk elephants probably always existed but now they are more noticable because so many of the long tusked ones have been killed. It is an example of natural selection. Short tusks have been selected in this case. The short tusks are better at surviving. There needs to be diversity in the gene pool for the species to survive.

wrong, if a deaf person breeds with a normal healthly female OR (even better) 2 deaf people have a child, their child will not necessarily be deaf. its the same story with dwarfs/blind people and people born with missing limbs.

the truth is noone knows how evolution works. it is something thats baffled scientists for centurys, some even claiming evolution is a myth.

Biology really is amazing and deals with the most complex things in the universe. Just think how a sperm and egg can carry so much information that turns into us. It's just like evolution. Things you never thought possible can arise from what seem to be the dumbest and simplest processes.