i actually see where your coming from now and i totally agree with it, this is just the case in the elephant though and doesn't explain evolution in general. maybe because i'm thinking more about evolution as a whole i missed your whole point that you was just talking about the elephant.

if humans one day mirated to the mars, 2000 years later martian humans will look totally different to earth humans and will probably be a sub-species no longer human. what would evolution change in our dna that would make us evolve different even though all would be breading human to human? atmospheric changes would probably be an answer, but that leads to new questions like what in our body would make those adaptions and pass blueprints for change to the next generation?

why as evolution taken is course that all earths creatures are suited to its enviroment perfectly? why did evolution take its course to make turtles have a shell to hide from predators/camilians changing its colour/snakes with venom/porcupines with spikes etc, afterall once upon a time we all started from the same slop.

one day dolphins may step out of the water and become an intellgent species just like humans, what changes in evolution would make that happen?

This post has been edited by st3veo: Nov 21 2009, 11:02 PM

All i've learned from this thread is that Elephants are an Atheist's worst nightmare

St3veo is an atheist's worst nightmare.

http://www.vidmax.com/video/1045/Near_deat...ences_debunked/

rofl @ them trying to wriggle their way out <3

elephants/mars/turtles/porcupines/snakes/sub-species of humans and evolved dolphins.

typical of what happens to threads after i post in them

This is worthy of Ray

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I don't think you appreciate how long it takes for a species to evolve into another species. 2000 years in a colony wouldn't make an awful lot difference. Firstly, they likely wouldn't be cut off from Earth civilisation so there would be coming and going, secondly humans are already at the stage where medical science negates an awful lot of natural selection. Human in 2000 years' time - assuming we are still around - will probably be slightly taller, slightly more attractive, and that's about it. If there were conditions on the colony conducive to a particular shape of human (i.e. cramped = short humans, lots of manual labour = muscly/stocky humans) then you might see a tendancy toward that, but that would be it.


Umm, random genetic mutation, the same thing that causes all adaptations from one generation to the next?


One of the reasons all of earth's creature appear suited to their environment perfectly is because all the others that weren't suited are now extinct 99.9% or more of all the different species of creatures that have ever existed on Earth have died out.

I don't think "changes in evoution" means anything.

This post has been edited by DougieFFC: Nov 22 2009, 10:58 AM

the very idea of atheism is bullshit , suggesting u dont believe in something , suggests something exists

Just what on earth do you think "atheism" is?

interesting point. new thread perhaps?

Hmm only if you want a general-discussion-on-atheism thread (which is always good!).
"What is atheism" is a fairly simple dictionary definition that "RetroRoxxx" doesn't appear to understand as he seems to think it is the belief in "nothing".
I believe in lots of things, in particular a natural universe. I just don't believe there's a conscious mind behind it.

How could something so perfect have been created by a few gasses?

God created Dougie
lets light a candle

What is perfect and who is saying it was created by "a few gasses"?

We live, we learn, whatever animal you are there is food for you locally.

Unless you think god created all this, you must believe in nature, the big bang etc..

Yes I believe in nature and the big bang, two things we have an awful lot of evidence for.

I'm not sure but I think you're suggesting that life is too ideally suited for their environment to be there without a godly guiding hand?

All ae yooz lot need tae stop taking psychotropic drugs by the sound eh things lol

This post has been edited by SYNOPSISxP: Nov 23 2009, 12:25 PM

I farted last night, and it was perfect. <3

Intelligent debate = psychotropic drugs.

INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE. PLEASE, GO ON.

Hai. Even ignoring the fact that you apparently don't know what atheism is, this is retarded. You're saying that expressing a negative view about something actually affirms the positive? So if i say "my car is not red" that's equivalent to my confessing that it is, in fact, red? A positive statement about the non-existence of god (which is not the position of most sensible atheists) admits only the reality that SOME people believe in god. I can't believe you're saying that a statement about the non-existence of God, requires god to exist in order to mean something You haven't really thought this through have you?

The Big Bang is an interesting...if slightly mind blowing topic...I get lost in what is provable and what is pseudo-science.